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Nissan Primera P11 1998, SR20VE

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:45 pm
by Sergey89
Nissan Primera P11 with swapped SR20VE engine from Nissan Primera P12 20V. Naturally aspirated engine with the VVL (variable valve lift) technology at intake and exhaust camshafts. It also has a coil on plug ignition system. It produces 204 hp at 7200 rpm.

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Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:00 pm
by Sergey89
About the sensors and actuators used in the car.

CAS or CMPS (Camshaft Position Sensor) is used instead of crankshaft position sensor. It generates a 1 degre position signal and a reference signal. It has open collector outputs.

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Output waveforms (with a distributor wheel):

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Engine coolant temperature sensor
NTC type

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Throttle position sensor
From ~0.5v at fully closed to ~4v at fully opened.

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Idle air control valve.
PWM valve. f = 156.8 Hz, R = 10 Ohm

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Ignition coil
With logic level inputs (not tested).

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Variable valve lift solenoid
R = ~10 Ohm

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Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:05 pm
by AndreyB
I have a wheel really close to yours in my collection - see attach

Do you have one reference signal per revolution or four reference signals - like a wider one and three smaller?

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:31 pm
by Sergey89
Presented signals from the distributor wheel. This wheel looks like the COP wheel but with a different reference signal pattern.

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:35 pm
by Sergey89
The idle valve is simply controlled with a PWM signal.


Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:45 pm
by denisvak
О, у меня аналогичный мотор...

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:07 pm
by Sergey89
Видел твою тему на нисмо клубе :)

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:58 pm
by Sergey89
SR20DE first run on STM32F4 based ECU.


Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:56 pm
by AndreyB
Sergey89 wrote:SR20DE first run on STM32F4 based ECU.
That's a big day! Congratulations!

Now that you have the hardware, we need to migrate you to the rusEfi software :)

PS: need some pics of the hardware

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:23 pm
by Mad Max
Segrey89, does it run on Rusefi with ignition control?

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:54 am
by AndreyB
Mad Max wrote:Segrey89, does it run on Rusefi with ignition control?
No, this is @'s own software. Please join me in my attempts to convince him to merge these two independent source codes... i think if eveyone PMs him, he will break :)

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:17 pm
by Sergey89
Hardware. Left to right: triggers intreface, analog interface, actuators driver, injectors and igntion driver.

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Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:22 pm
by AndreyB
In Soviet Russia, you mount prototype boards to a 2 by 4...

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Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:23 pm
by Sergey89
Camshaft position sensor signal waveform in the OLS file format (http://www.lxtreme.nl/ols/).

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Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:25 pm
by AndreyB
Is that noise or signal on the upper channel?
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Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:27 pm
by Sergey89
noise

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998, SR20VE

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:55 pm
by puff
hm. what's the origin of that noise and how do you usually get rid of it? I see noise on both channels, btw. what's the physics behind of these two sensors?

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998, SR20VE

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:18 pm
by Sergey89
It is a pair of optical sensors with open collector outputs. I do not know the cause of the noise. Maybe a bad ground.

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998, SR20VE

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:20 pm
by AndreyB
Is that with stock ECU, your own ECU or Frankenstein board? I wonder if I should be concerned or not :)

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998, SR20VE

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:25 pm
by Sergey89
Stock. Do not take this as a sensor noise. It's just the noise of the logic analyzer. Similar pulses are present on all channel.

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998, SR20VE

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:54 pm
by puff
such small slots on the outer diameter allow for better resolution? I wonder if that is necessary at all… Besides, what happens if they are contaminated with sludge and stop passing the light?

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998, SR20VE

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:27 pm
by Sergey89
Position signal provides a 1 degree resolution. http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/USRE34257.pdf

The case is sealed.

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998, SR20VE

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:50 pm
by puff
United States patent for a Japanese car? Decent resolution, and it doesn't need any crank sensors, I guess. Is it mounted outside the engine?

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998, SR20VE

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:04 pm
by Sergey89
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Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998, SR20VE

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:13 pm
by AndreyB
Nice, we know the widths. I wonder if the centers are at 0, 90, 180 and 270?

By the way trigger decoder definition angle runs from zero to 720, so the widths would be 16, 32, 48.

Re: Nissan Primera P11 1998, SR20VE

Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:13 am
by Sergey89
As far as i know the rising edges of the reference pulses are positioned at 110 degrees before TDC. The width of the pulses is 32, 24, 16, 8. But really the rising edges of the reference signal are placed between the rising and falling edges of the position signal. So it's more like 31, 23, 15, 7.